Let $ a,b,c,x,y$ be five real numbers such that $ a^3 + ax + y = 0$, $ b^3 + bx + y = 0$ and $ c^3 + cx + y = 0$. If $ a,b,c$ are all distinct numbers prove that their sum is zero. Ciprus
Problem
Source: JBMO 1999, Problem 1
Tags: algorithm
30.10.2005 16:12
02.06.2009 02:38
02.06.2009 02:59
Let $ f(t)=t^3+xt+y$. Then $ f(a)=f(b)=f(c)=0$. So $ f(t)=(t-a)q(x)$. Now $ f(b)=(b-a)q(b)=0$ but $ b-a\ne 0$ so $ q(b)=q(c)=0$. So $ q(t)=(t-b)r(t)$ and $ r(c)=0$ similarly so $ f(t)=(t-a)(t-b)(t-c)$. Expanding, we get $ a+b+c=0$.
02.06.2009 12:13
Altheman wrote: Let $ f(t) = t^3 + xt + y$. Then $ f(a) = f(b) = f(c) = 0$. So $ f(t) = (t - a)q(x)$. Now $ f(b) = (b - a)q(b) = 0$ but $ b - a\ne 0$ so $ q(b) = q(c) = 0$. So $ q(t) = (t - b)r(t)$ and $ r(c) = 0$ similarly so $ f(t) = (t - a)(t - b)(t - c)$. Expanding, we get $ a + b + c = 0$. No need for so much explanation, it's known that $ f(t)=g(t)(t-a)(t-b)(t-c)$, and as $ f(t)$ is of third degree, $ g(t)=1$
02.06.2009 13:20
Kill it in 3 seconds by Vieta.
02.06.2009 22:56
Bugi wrote: Altheman wrote: Let $ f(t) = t^3 + xt + y$. Then $ f(a) = f(b) = f(c) = 0$. So $ f(t) = (t - a)q(x)$. Now $ f(b) = (b - a)q(b) = 0$ but $ b - a\ne 0$ so $ q(b) = q(c) = 0$. So $ q(t) = (t - b)r(t)$ and $ r(c) = 0$ similarly so $ f(t) = (t - a)(t - b)(t - c)$. Expanding, we get $ a + b + c = 0$. No need for so much explanation, it's known that $ f(t) = g(t)(t - a)(t - b)(t - c)$, and as $ f(t)$ is of third degree, $ g(t) = 1$ I think that we have to be careful. If $ a=b$ or something we do not have that result.
02.06.2009 23:00
Altheman wrote: Bugi wrote: Altheman wrote: Let $ f(t) = t^3 + xt + y$. Then $ f(a) = f(b) = f(c) = 0$. So $ f(t) = (t - a)q(x)$. Now $ f(b) = (b - a)q(b) = 0$ but $ b - a\ne 0$ so $ q(b) = q(c) = 0$. So $ q(t) = (t - b)r(t)$ and $ r(c) = 0$ similarly so $ f(t) = (t - a)(t - b)(t - c)$. Expanding, we get $ a + b + c = 0$. No need for so much explanation, it's known that $ f(t) = g(t)(t - a)(t - b)(t - c)$, and as $ f(t)$ is of third degree, $ g(t) = 1$ I think that we have to be careful. If $ a = b$ or something we do not have that result. It says they are distinct (look at Valentin's post)
02.06.2009 23:08
Well of course. The point is to link that hypothesis to the fact that there is a factorization. It seems to me that if you are actually going to prove something in this problem (as opposed to trivializing it by citing some theorem) you use the division algorithm to write that representation of the polynomial.
03.06.2009 13:57
Valentin Vornicu wrote: Let $ a,b,c,x,y$ be five real numbers such that $ a^3 + ax + y = 0$, $ b^3 + bx + y = 0$ and $ c^3 + cx + y = 0$. If $ a,b,c$ are all distinct numbers prove that their sum is zero. Ciprus $ (a^3+ax+y)-(b^3+bx+y) = 0 \iff (a-b)(a^2+ab+b^2+x)=0$ $ \iff a^2+ab+b^2+x=0$ (since $ a \neq b$) and likewise $ b^2+bc+c^2+x=0$ since $ b \neq c$. Now $ (a^2+ab+b^2+x)-(b^2+bc+c^2+x)=0 \iff$ $ a^2-c^2+b(a-c) = (a-c)(a+b+c) = 0 \iff a+b+c = 0$ (since $ a \neq c$)
03.06.2009 23:54
Mathias_DK wrote: Valentin Vornicu wrote: Let $ a,b,c,x,y$ be five real numbers such that $ a^3 + ax + y = 0$, $ b^3 + bx + y = 0$ and $ c^3 + cx + y = 0$. If $ a,b,c$ are all distinct numbers prove that their sum is zero. Ciprus $ (a^3 + ax + y) - (b^3 + bx + y) = 0 \iff (a - b)(a^2 + ab + b^2 + x) = 0$ $ \iff a^2 + ab + b^2 + x = 0$ (since $ a \neq b$) and likewise $ b^2 + bc + c^2 + x = 0$ since $ b \neq c$. Now $ (a^2 + ab + b^2 + x) - (b^2 + bc + c^2 + x) = 0 \iff$ $ a^2 - c^2 + b(a - c) = (a - c)(a + b + c) = 0 \iff a + b + c = 0$ (since $ a \neq c$) Isn't it the same as qntty's solution?
04.06.2009 01:38
Bugi wrote: Mathias_DK wrote: Valentin Vornicu wrote: Let $ a,b,c,x,y$ be five real numbers such that $ a^3 + ax + y = 0$, $ b^3 + bx + y = 0$ and $ c^3 + cx + y = 0$. If $ a,b,c$ are all distinct numbers prove that their sum is zero. Ciprus $ (a^3 + ax + y) - (b^3 + bx + y) = 0 \iff (a - b)(a^2 + ab + b^2 + x) = 0$ $ \iff a^2 + ab + b^2 + x = 0$ (since $ a \neq b$) and likewise $ b^2 + bc + c^2 + x = 0$ since $ b \neq c$. Now $ (a^2 + ab + b^2 + x) - (b^2 + bc + c^2 + x) = 0 \iff$ $ a^2 - c^2 + b(a - c) = (a - c)(a + b + c) = 0 \iff a + b + c = 0$ (since $ a \neq c$) Isn't it the same as qntty's solution? Yes it is.
16.07.2014 05:00
leepakhin wrote:
Would this get a good score on an actual olympiad?
16.07.2014 06:31
tanuagg13 wrote: leepakhin wrote:
Would this get a good score on an actual olympiad? You would have to elaborate more.
17.02.2020 20:30
a,b,c is the roots of the one equation k*k*k+k*x+y=0 By Vieta a+b+c=0