Vanya has chosen two positive numbers, x and y. He wrote the numbers x+y, x-y, x/y, and xy, and has shown these numbers to Petya. However, he didn't say which of the numbers was obtained from which operation. Show that Petya can uniquely recover x and y.
Problem
Source: Tournament of towns, Junior A-Level paper, Fall 2004
Tags: geometry, geometric transformation, algebra unsolved, algebra
26.12.2004 00:21
I don't understand what the 'uniquely' means. Anyway, Petra can squared each of the numbers and compare the differences of the results, with the given numbers to identify $xy$ and then $x+y$ and $x-y$ (and then $\frac x y$). Thus $x = \frac 1 2 (x+y + x-y)$ from which we easily get $y$ too. Pierre.
26.12.2004 18:01
Pierre, I think something is wrong because if the first player took the number $-x$ and $-y$ you would get the same squares.....But not the same numbers.... Also, maybe I don't get something..... By the way, the name of the second player is Petya (the russian equivalent for Pierre ) , and not Petra , a woman's name
26.12.2004 18:05
Xixas wrote: Vanya has chosen two positive numbers, x and y. DusT wrote: By the way, the name of the second player is Petya (the russian equivalent for Pierre ) , and not Petra , a woman's name
26.12.2004 18:08
So? Am I right? Pierre.
26.12.2004 18:15
I think you are right.... Strange that at the actual competition I didn't even notice the condition about the positiveness of the numbers I didn't solve the problem anyway (too many cases I think...)
26.12.2004 18:27
pbornsztein wrote: I don't understand what the 'uniquely' means. Anyway, Petra can squared each of the numbers and compare the differences of the results, with the given numbers to identify $xy$ and then $x+y$ and $x-y$ (and then $\frac x y$). Thus $x = \frac 1 2 (x+y + x-y)$ from which we easily get $y$ too. How do you think: are there some cases? For example, it is possible $(x+y)^2-(xy)^2=2(x-y)^2$ Am I missing something?
26.12.2004 20:18
Uniquely means "with no other possibilities", i.e. Petya can found numbers x and y, that had been chosen by Vanya homologously (don't know, if this word is proper here).
26.12.2004 20:20
Xixas! I think, your translation is fine.